Someplace to stash my stuff
in the Coolermaster Cosmos II
Published on December 1, 2017 By starkers In Personal Computing

Couldn't wait 'til after Christmas, which apart from Christmas Dinner and Christmas Pud is just another day for me these days. We'll just have a quiet dinner and day here among ourselves, and maybe visit or get a visit from my sister.  Other than that it'll be fairly non-eventful, which suits me fine.

So anyway, I've been wanting to rebuild for a while now, and earlier this evening I decided to bite the bullet and order the parts I want:

Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VI/AMD Ryzen 1700 bundle with Wraith Spire cooler.

32Gb Kit of G-Skill RipJaws DDR$ 3000 RAM.

ASUS AMD Raedon RX 570 Strix OC 4Gb graphics card.

Sound Blaster ZxR sound card.

It all came to more than I was originally going to spend, but I poached the sound card from the Coolermaster Cosmos II rig to go into my Thermaltake Level 10 machine and decided upon the Soundblaster ZxR to replace it and up the ante with something that has more grunt.

I have all the other parts I require, PSU, SSDs, HDDs, etc.... plus a few PCIE expansion cards to add other options, such as a HD video capture card, additional SATA ports and USB 3/3.1 ports.

When the parts arrive I'll take pics and do a more comprehensive list, and once I've completed the rebuild some before and after pics.


Comments (Page 5)
on Jan 06, 2018

alaknebs

it was a jokey comment. just saying there's kinda no point deciding whether to go intel/amd based on security... as they will all eventually be found to be crap.

At this point AMD seems to be the better off, but my decision to go with AMD had nothing to do with the recent security issues, though I'm glad I did.  Apart from liking AMD processors, my decision left me with money to buy the accessories and extras I've ordered.  Had I gone with a similarly rated Intel CPU I doubt very much I would have had any left over after the CPU, 32GB of Ram and a mobo.

alaknebs

what do you mean peeling banana..

Oh it was a story on Yahoo saying we've been peeling bananas all wrong.  Frankly, I don't see too many ways of doing it, so I'm stumped as to how we've all been doing it wrong.  I dunno, maybe it's how we protrude our bottom lip during the unzipping.

on Jan 06, 2018

alaknebs

it was a jokey comment. just saying there's kinda no point deciding whether to go intel/amd based on security... as they will all eventually be found to be crap.

... what do you mean peeling banana.. just wait for the banana skin wedge craze.
my biggest problem with this isnt security which it still sounds like amd is still more secure, but i bought the best i7 processor for speed, and reasons like this only to find out that amd would have been a better deal. I would rather deal with one error versus 3.

on Jan 06, 2018

starkers

so I'm stumped as to how we've all been doing it wrong.

We all peel them down from the top stem.  It's really easier to turn them upside down and peel them down from the bottom, especially if they're a little green, don't squish up the meat as much.  Ya, I eat a lot of bananas...   

on Jan 07, 2018

admiralWillyWilber

my biggest problem with this isnt security which it still sounds like amd is still more secure, but i bought the best i7 processor for speed, and reasons like this only to find out that amd would have been a better deal. I would rather deal with one error versus 3.

I did the same thing when I purchased my i7 4970K... because it was the best and fastest at the time.  However, now my AMD Ryzen 1700 will beat it right across the park.... without overclocking.  And that 'one error' is pretty much non-existent, given direct physical access must be gained to exploit it.  Yeah, like I'm going to invite a hacker in and say 'go ahead, fech with my computer'

DaveRI


Quoting starkers,

so I'm stumped as to how we've all been doing it wrong.



We all peel them down from the top stem.  It's really easier to turn them upside down and peel them down from the bottom, especially if they're a little green, don't squish up the meat as much.  Ya, I eat a lot of bananas...   

My point is, it doesn't matter which end you peel a banana from, it's going to be a damned banana and taste just the same.  And even if you cut it in half and peel it from the middle, it'll still taste like a damned banana.  I mean, so long as it is edible, who gives a flying fech how the damned banana is peeled?  And I sure as hell don't need some so-called expert telling me how to peel a friggin' banana, wipe my bum or suck eggs.

 

on Jan 07, 2018

Not that I've got the cabling accessories yet, but just to get an idea of how it'd look when done, I thought I'd plug the power cables into the motherboard and add the SATA and other cables.  Well it's not going to be quite as tidy as the other build, given the all additional parts and cables, but at least now I have a better idea of how everything will come together.

As for using some IDE drives, well I changed my mind and it will now be an all SATA affair, doing away with the ugly IDE data cable and making cable management that much easier.   I also purchased a PCIE 10 port SATA adapter, so I didn't have to use the two PCI 4 port ones via the PCIE adapter.  I just figured that if I'm building a new machine, I need to be installing modern tech, not old.  No, I'll find other homes for that instead.

on Jan 07, 2018

The Adata M.2 SSD and additional RAM turned up today[Mon 08.01.18], as well as a PCIE USB 3.1 adapter, so now I have all the major components and am just waiting on the other fans and cabling accessories, etc.

It's coming together slowly but surely.  However, I do have a question.  I have installed the 2 x 16GB sticks in the A1 and B1 slots, and the 2 x 8GB sticks in the B1 and B2  slots.  That just seemed logical and various articles suggest that is the way to do it, but how about a stick of each, making it 24GHz per channel?   Would it make any difference to performance either way?  I read somewhere that Intel CPUs read the first two channels first, but this is AMD and I've not seen anything to suggest it is the same.

on Jan 08, 2018

if you are going for dual channel, you have to install them as pairs (bigger pair 1st), no?

not sure what you mean 1 stick of each making 24ghz per channel.

 

googling gives this random quote..

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3453470/motherboard-dimm-slots-supports-dual-channel.html

"The extra two slots just allow for more ram to be address even though it is still only dual channel. The problem with populating all dimms with Ryzen is the fastest ram speed you can get is 2400mhz (actually even intel has issues with ram speed when you populate 4 slots on a dual channel chip or 8 slots on a quad channel chip). If you only populate 2 dimms on Ryzen you can get over 3000mhz out of your ram."

 

might also be useful - 1 stick vs 2 sticks

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62pcbe/does_single_vs_dual_channel_ram_dimm_config/

on Jan 08, 2018

alaknebs

not sure what you mean 1 stick of each making 24ghz per channel.

Install 1 stick of 16GB in A1 and a stick of 8GB in B1, then repeat the process with B1 and B2.  Thing is, according to what I've read, I have it configured correctly anyhow, so I'll leave it at that.

alaknebs

The problem with populating all dimms with Ryzen is the fastest ram speed you can get is 2400mhz (actually even intel has issues with ram speed when you populate 4 slots on a dual channel chip or 8 slots on a quad channel chip). If you only populate 2 dimms on Ryzen you can get over 3000mhz out of your ram."

Yeah, I read that somewhere, but I also read that full speed can be attained with a change in the BIOS.  Guess I'll have to look further into that.

on Jan 09, 2018

starkers

Not that I've got the cabling accessories yet, but just to get an idea of how it'd look when done, I thought I'd plug the power cables into the motherboard and add the SATA and other cables.  Well it's not going to be quite as tidy as the other build, given the all additional parts and cables, but at least now I have a better idea of how everything will come together.

As for using some IDE drives, well I changed my mind and it will now be an all SATA affair, doing away with the ugly IDE data cable and making cable management that much easier.   I also purchased a PCIE 10 port SATA adapter, so I didn't have to use the two PCI 4 port ones via the PCIE adapter.  I just figured that if I'm building a new machine, I need to be installing modern tech, not old.  No, I'll find other homes for that instead.
This will actually speed everything up.

on Jan 09, 2018

alaknebs

if you are going for dual channel, you have to install them as pairs (bigger pair 1st), no?

not sure what you mean 1 stick of each making 24ghz per channel.

 

googling gives this random quote..

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3453470/motherboard-dimm-slots-supports-dual-channel.html

"The extra two slots just allow for more ram to be address even though it is still only dual channel. The problem with populating all dimms with Ryzen is the fastest ram speed you can get is 2400mhz (actually even intel has issues with ram speed when you populate 4 slots on a dual channel chip or 8 slots on a quad channel chip). If you only populate 2 dimms on Ryzen you can get over 3000mhz out of your ram."

 

might also be useful - 1 stick vs 2 sticks

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62pcbe/does_single_vs_dual_channel_ram_dimm_config/
I'm still not sure if 600mhtz wouldn't be offset by 16 gigs of ram. If it isn't this would be a speed difference can some noledgeable person answer with actually knowledge about this. I would like to know the answer. Also what if it was twice the memory instead. lets say 32 gigs instead according to my math lets convert 2.4 unto 4 and 3 into five. 4 being if all channels are used 4 times 32 is 128 where 5 is times 16 which is 80, so 128 is better than 80 which if the 32 gigs is actually used still should be faster. but in his case it is 24 which is 96 which is still more than 80 if he uses all his ram.

on Jan 09, 2018

admiralWillyWilber

I'm still not sure if 600mhtz wouldn't be offset by 16 gigs of ram. If it isn't this would be a speed difference can some noledgeable person answer with actually knowledge about this. I would like to know the answer. Also what if it was twice the memory instead. lets say 32 gigs instead according to my math lets convert 2.4 unto 4 and 3 into five. 4 being if all channels are used 4 times 32 is 128 where 5 is times 16 which is 80, so 128 is better than 80 which if the 32 gigs is actually used still should be faster. but in his case it is 24 which is 96 which is still more than 80 if he uses all his ram.

Actually, it wouldn't be 24GB.  I currently have 32GB in the first 2 DIMMs, and 16GB in the second 2.  As for the 600mhz offset, I understand there is a BIOS adjustment that allows full access to all 4 sticks at full speed.   I just have to find it.  And yeah, opting not to use the old tech made better sense and will not slow things down.  I do have another machine that I can use that stuff in, however, so it won't go to waste.

on Jan 09, 2018

Well I've come up against my first snag.  I cannot find a screw with a small enough thread to hold the M.2 SSD in place.  I have nothing in my PC toolbox that'll fit, so I'm up schitts creek without a paddle unless I can come up with one from somewhere..... and the mobo manual isn't of any help to determine the size/thread required, so it'll be a matter of pot luck, me thinks.

Sadly, I have no idea where to begin to look.  

on Jan 09, 2018

The correct screw size is 2.0 x 3mm (CM2x3-3.3).

If you are in the USA, then you can usually find the screws at Ace Hardware stores. Make sure you check the length. Some of the screws at hardware stores are too long. 

I've also seen them available at Amazon. They were advertised as replacement screws for M.2 ssd's.

Mod DIY has them too:

http://www.moddiy.com/categories/Screws-%26-Bits/M2-%7C-2mm-Screws-(Notebook-Screws)/

 

Google is your fiend....

on Jan 09, 2018


The correct screw size is 2.0 x 3mm (CM2x3-3.3).

Thanks for heads up on that, much appreciated..  

It looks like a will have to buy some, though.  I looked through 3 compartmentalised containers full of screws, nails, nuts, bolts and washers, etc, but not a single one for what I need.  However, rather than order online, I will likely just walk 5 mins to the PC shop and see if they have some.  Other than that, there's another PC shop about 10 mins walk away.

Oh how I'm blessed, living within the Ipswich City limits.  Everything I/we need is within walking distance, yet it is so quiet in the street we live.

As for an online search, that was my next stop after searching my screw selection for something that'd fit.

on Jan 19, 2018

Well I got the M2 screws last week down at the local PC shop, 24 for 3 bucks.  So, the M.2 SSD and RAM have been installed, and some of the cable management stuff arrived yesterday and I've made some more progress.  Take a look below....

 

 

So that's it for now, though I will connect the power cables to the front-end devices tomorrow and start cable management in the back panel area.  There's a whole mess of cables behind there to sort out so it's going to take a while, and then, if I can see a way to do something better, I'll change my mind and do that/those bits again.

I just hope the pics turn out okay.  I took them on my Windows 8 Phone and was holding the additional lighting myself, so I guess we'll see, eh.   More importantly, I hope they show what I wanted, given it's hard to tell during the upload process.

EDIT: Nah, they didn't upload too well.  To view the pics in their entirety, right click on the pics then 'View Image'